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Planeguard helo position
« on: December 18, 2017, 12:41:15 AM »
As a former AW ( Aviation Warfare Systems Operator/Helicopter Rescue Swimmer ) let me chime in here on a major point of detail in the disposition of the plane guard helo in the Midway/Coral Sea Battle group(s). We NEVER flew in the position depicted in the simulation. I know you all have seen every other Navy, including the French currently, flying off the port quarter during launch/recovery cycles...In the US Navy we flew the "Starboard Delta" pattern...daytime...Out on the ship's "Father" ( TACAN ) 045 Radial to 5 miles...arc around to the 135 radial and so on...At night, we'd have two helicopters. One flying 0-5 miles and the other 6-10 miles and typically we'd swap out mid sortie to fly primary/secondary. During secondary operations we'd do our own training...Drop a smoke or later on when we flew aided ( ANVIS-6 NVGs ) we'd toss out an IR chemlight and simulate a rescue...Or, we put the "ball" in the water ( AQS-13E SONAR ) and track the ship or one of the escorts...We typically flew at 200' AGL primary and 500' AGL secondary and always under control of either CATCC, the "Boss" ( Air Officer in PriFly ) or "Freddie" ASAC ( Anti-Submarine Aircraft Controller in the ASW Module of CVIC ( Carrier Combat Information Center ). It was usually LONG hours of boredom with the occasional blood curdling...POWER! POWER! WAVE-OFF! WAVE-OFF! or some poor sod that's having a bad night and can't get aboard..."Bolter Bolter...hook-skip" Anyway, I did 4 carrier deployments on the USS Kitty Hawk with HS-4 and HS-14 and earlier in my career I flew in the SH-2F and cruised on three different Knox-class FFs ( HINT-HINT ) and landed on the Midway a few times, and was in the Midway Battle Group on her last F-4 cruise in 1985...I remember a few nights watching them landing from the signal bridge while we were the Plane Guard Destroyer...THANK YOU SWIMWORKSSTUDIOS for bringing these days back to life albeit virtually...

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 07:57:29 AM »
Great piece of information there!

It will be in the next update.

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 05:01:22 PM »
How do you do to have the helo flying? I don't see any ...

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2017, 11:53:25 PM »
You can move the "formation" for most of the models, to put the PG helo on the correct side. Also a former wet HS AW, but more recent with the SH-60F/HH-60H. I've been telling a few ship modelers on another forum about the position, it's a small detail to most. We would also fly SD <150' AGL day and at 300'AGL for night. Since we covered multiple cycles, after the launch/recovery was complete, we were well outside of 10nm from Mother. The only time we would run over to "port delta" was the end of the cycle awaiting the recovery tanker during the day, but most of the time it was a "snuggle up" call by the fan tail for that last Hornet that will probably bolter anyway!

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 10:11:50 AM »
How do you do to have the helo flying? I don't see any ...
You use aicarriers.net - which you can find via other threads here.

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2017, 06:19:41 PM »
If you change your config for the Midway to this, you'll have one guard on either side:

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title=USS Midway 1973
unit.0=CVA-41 USS Midway 1973, 6, -35
unit.1=DDG-17 USS Conyngham, 0, 2500
unit.2=DDG-18 USS Semmes, 3000, 400
unit.3=DD-940 USS Manley, 12, -1400
unit.4=DD-937 USS Davis, -3000, 150
unit.5=AO-107 USS Passumpsic, 1600, 20
unit.6=SH3_CV41_guard, -200, -80
unit.7=SH3_CV41_guard, 200, -80
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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 10:19:41 AM »
More on this:

You can move the helos or ships around in the formation to suit yourselves.

The two numbers after the name of the item are X and Y cords relative to the carrier - in metres.

As always - make a backup copy first.

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2017, 05:48:49 AM »
To add to Dave's last comment.....

Negative numbers move to the left and to the rear of the mid point....positive numbers move forward and to the right.

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 10:53:20 AM »
Curious to know why the CV 41 and 43 must be offset from the 0,0 location, i.e., at 6,-35?  I tried setting it - as with all the other AICarriers - to 0,0 and it was a no show, so back to the default.

If you have a destroyer guard trailing the carrier, would you set it also at 6,-1000 or something like that?

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Re: Planeguard helo position
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 11:37:33 AM »
I just threw some numbers in there. There is no reason for not putting it at 0,0. Maybe I wanted it to line up with the other ships being at 0 or for UNREP?